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	<title>Comments on: You make and break your own religion</title>
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	<description>choice. understanding. perspective.</description>
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		<title>By: Alexander Baez Ubeira</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-4399</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Baez Ubeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are awesome sir, contrary to any expectation I found you in the No Agenda forum (via the TWIV clash of the podcasts [ha]).
You are doing the Sagan&#039;s work in there. Keep it up

Greetings from Chile
Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are awesome sir, contrary to any expectation I found you in the No Agenda forum (via the TWIV clash of the podcasts [ha]).<br />
You are doing the Sagan&#8217;s work in there. Keep it up</p>
<p>Greetings from Chile<br />
Alex</p>
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		<title>By: BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to avoid positions.  I find things are much clearer if I learn to take a step back and be a little less trusting of my own reactions, and a little more analytical of why we think the way we do.

I guess you could say my &quot;position&quot; on a lot of things is that they are complicated and nuanced, and most people who pick a &quot;side&quot; seem to be acting less than rationally.

I would ask you in response, have you thought about why it matters to you where I come down on your issues?  I have.  Isn&#039;t it interesting how we almost frantically need to find out whether someone shares our &quot;positions&quot; (underlying subtext: biases and conclusions) before we feel comfortable with them?  Our minds are hard-wired to take this shortcut because it saves a lot of processing power.  

I chose &quot;born again&quot; because for most of my life I did not know anything about critical thinking, cognitive biases, logical fallacies, etc.  After learning how to think properly, I feel liberated, clear, and nothing will ever be the same.  If that&#039;s not a good use of &quot;born again&quot; then I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to avoid positions.  I find things are much clearer if I learn to take a step back and be a little less trusting of my own reactions, and a little more analytical of why we think the way we do.</p>
<p>I guess you could say my &#8220;position&#8221; on a lot of things is that they are complicated and nuanced, and most people who pick a &#8220;side&#8221; seem to be acting less than rationally.</p>
<p>I would ask you in response, have you thought about why it matters to you where I come down on your issues?  I have.  Isn&#8217;t it interesting how we almost frantically need to find out whether someone shares our &#8220;positions&#8221; (underlying subtext: biases and conclusions) before we feel comfortable with them?  Our minds are hard-wired to take this shortcut because it saves a lot of processing power.  </p>
<p>I chose &#8220;born again&#8221; because for most of my life I did not know anything about critical thinking, cognitive biases, logical fallacies, etc.  After learning how to think properly, I feel liberated, clear, and nothing will ever be the same.  If that&#8217;s not a good use of &#8220;born again&#8221; then I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Richardson</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-3044</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,

Ok, I really like your essays.  But I am a bit confused.  I cannot find an &#039;about&#039; page, or other clarification of your position on issues (like, in the most general and broad way).  

In fact, you seem to avoid taking too many risky positions, despite an obvious ability to deconstruct positions.  

So what exactly do you mean by &quot;born again&quot;????  Is that sarcasm, or are you serious about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,</p>
<p>Ok, I really like your essays.  But I am a bit confused.  I cannot find an &#8216;about&#8217; page, or other clarification of your position on issues (like, in the most general and broad way).  </p>
<p>In fact, you seem to avoid taking too many risky positions, despite an obvious ability to deconstruct positions.  </p>
<p>So what exactly do you mean by &#8220;born again&#8221;????  Is that sarcasm, or are you serious about that?</p>
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		<title>By: BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you ask a lot of questions in a short space.  I&#039;ll try to give the beginnings of answers here, but a reasonable treatment would definitely require one or more full posts.

I think the term &#039;science&#039; can reasonably be applied to any field of rational collective human endeavor, where an effort is made to find, test, improve (and discard) theories about how things work.  In some fields this is reasonably straightforward, but in others there are confounding challenges.  Psychology and the study of cognition have come a long way in recent decades.  Because this science deals with phenomenally complex systems, its conclusions aren&#039;t always cut and dried.  The more we work at it, the more it will grow into the role of rigorous, respected science.

If your theory is invalidated by observations, then you have to come up with a better one.  But you are asking, how does science determine what &quot;better&quot; means?  Generally given Occam&#039;s razor, parsimonious and straightforward explanations are preferable to convoluted ones.  But sometimes our intuitions or notions of simplicity or elegance are not sufficient to find the right answer.  For example, the theory of relativity, or quantum physics.  

Then there&#039;s dark matter, the current favorite whipping boy of cosmology.  It works better than any other theory we&#039;ve got to explain things.  But even the strongest proponents admit that they don&#039;t know WHAT it is for sure, and admit they could have it wrong.  It&#039;s really hard to test things that are out of our reach and resist our attempts at observation.  I am constantly humbled by the innovative genius and persistence that astrophysicists have, telling us so much about the universe using such limited means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you ask a lot of questions in a short space.  I&#8217;ll try to give the beginnings of answers here, but a reasonable treatment would definitely require one or more full posts.</p>
<p>I think the term &#8216;science&#8217; can reasonably be applied to any field of rational collective human endeavor, where an effort is made to find, test, improve (and discard) theories about how things work.  In some fields this is reasonably straightforward, but in others there are confounding challenges.  Psychology and the study of cognition have come a long way in recent decades.  Because this science deals with phenomenally complex systems, its conclusions aren&#8217;t always cut and dried.  The more we work at it, the more it will grow into the role of rigorous, respected science.</p>
<p>If your theory is invalidated by observations, then you have to come up with a better one.  But you are asking, how does science determine what &#8220;better&#8221; means?  Generally given Occam&#8217;s razor, parsimonious and straightforward explanations are preferable to convoluted ones.  But sometimes our intuitions or notions of simplicity or elegance are not sufficient to find the right answer.  For example, the theory of relativity, or quantum physics.  </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s dark matter, the current favorite whipping boy of cosmology.  It works better than any other theory we&#8217;ve got to explain things.  But even the strongest proponents admit that they don&#8217;t know WHAT it is for sure, and admit they could have it wrong.  It&#8217;s really hard to test things that are out of our reach and resist our attempts at observation.  I am constantly humbled by the innovative genius and persistence that astrophysicists have, telling us so much about the universe using such limited means.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cover a lot.  Is psychology a science?  What do you make of &quot;applied sciences?&quot;  Economics and psychology for example.  When our observations of the cosmos do not match our equation&#039;s predictions, is it legitimate science to use complex math in a &quot;Ptolemic epicycle&quot; type of explanation?  I think so but I don&#039;t think it good physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cover a lot.  Is psychology a science?  What do you make of &#8220;applied sciences?&#8221;  Economics and psychology for example.  When our observations of the cosmos do not match our equation&#8217;s predictions, is it legitimate science to use complex math in a &#8220;Ptolemic epicycle&#8221; type of explanation?  I think so but I don&#8217;t think it good physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Satchmo Bevins</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Satchmo Bevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent essay. You sum up a lot of my frustrations with people, but much more articulately than I ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent essay. You sum up a lot of my frustrations with people, but much more articulately than I ever could.</p>
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