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	<description>choice. understanding. perspective.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Argument &gt; Debate by Adrik</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/03/15/argument-greater-than-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-11379</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debate isn&#039;t necessarily a search for truth.  That is, I think, the point.  The goal of debate is success (winning) rather than truth or understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debate isn&#8217;t necessarily a search for truth.  That is, I think, the point.  The goal of debate is success (winning) rather than truth or understanding.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Closed-minded, all by Sneaky sneaky&#8230; &#171; Born again Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/01/01/closed-minded-all/comment-page-1/#comment-9453</link>
		<dc:creator>Sneaky sneaky&#8230; &#171; Born again Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am still of the opinion that our irrationalities are founded in the cheap wiring of our brains. But I wonder how much our stories help keep us wrapped up in that warm, comfortable fog of belief. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am still of the opinion that our irrationalities are founded in the cheap wiring of our brains. But I wonder how much our stories help keep us wrapped up in that warm, comfortable fog of belief. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Turns out God doesn&#8217;t want dead animals by BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2008/06/30/turns-out-god-doesnt-want-dead-animals/comment-page-1/#comment-5832</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you stipulate that we are too dumb to understand the rules, you can trivially rationalize anything.  But it&#039;s not a very satisfying explanation to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you stipulate that we are too dumb to understand the rules, you can trivially rationalize anything.  But it&#8217;s not a very satisfying explanation to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Turns out God doesn&#8217;t want dead animals by Dedwarmo</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2008/06/30/turns-out-god-doesnt-want-dead-animals/comment-page-1/#comment-5824</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedwarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something else to consider when asking why God would use his son, Jesus, as propitiation for our sins.  If God is all powerful then he makes the rules.  It doesn&#039;t have to make sense to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something else to consider when asking why God would use his son, Jesus, as propitiation for our sins.  If God is all powerful then he makes the rules.  It doesn&#8217;t have to make sense to us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Argument &gt; Debate by lanminul</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/03/15/argument-greater-than-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5752</link>
		<dc:creator>lanminul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I say it’s a sport because it’s a competition with a winner and loser where the participants’ skills have the largest bearing on the outcome.&quot;
How much is it true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I say it’s a sport because it’s a competition with a winner and loser where the participants’ skills have the largest bearing on the outcome.&#8221;<br />
How much is it true?</p>
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		<title>Comment on You make and break your own religion by Alexander Baez Ubeira</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-4399</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Baez Ubeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are awesome sir, contrary to any expectation I found you in the No Agenda forum (via the TWIV clash of the podcasts [ha]).
You are doing the Sagan&#039;s work in there. Keep it up

Greetings from Chile
Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are awesome sir, contrary to any expectation I found you in the No Agenda forum (via the TWIV clash of the podcasts [ha]).<br />
You are doing the Sagan&#8217;s work in there. Keep it up</p>
<p>Greetings from Chile<br />
Alex</p>
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		<title>Comment on You make and break your own religion by BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to avoid positions.  I find things are much clearer if I learn to take a step back and be a little less trusting of my own reactions, and a little more analytical of why we think the way we do.

I guess you could say my &quot;position&quot; on a lot of things is that they are complicated and nuanced, and most people who pick a &quot;side&quot; seem to be acting less than rationally.

I would ask you in response, have you thought about why it matters to you where I come down on your issues?  I have.  Isn&#039;t it interesting how we almost frantically need to find out whether someone shares our &quot;positions&quot; (underlying subtext: biases and conclusions) before we feel comfortable with them?  Our minds are hard-wired to take this shortcut because it saves a lot of processing power.  

I chose &quot;born again&quot; because for most of my life I did not know anything about critical thinking, cognitive biases, logical fallacies, etc.  After learning how to think properly, I feel liberated, clear, and nothing will ever be the same.  If that&#039;s not a good use of &quot;born again&quot; then I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to avoid positions.  I find things are much clearer if I learn to take a step back and be a little less trusting of my own reactions, and a little more analytical of why we think the way we do.</p>
<p>I guess you could say my &#8220;position&#8221; on a lot of things is that they are complicated and nuanced, and most people who pick a &#8220;side&#8221; seem to be acting less than rationally.</p>
<p>I would ask you in response, have you thought about why it matters to you where I come down on your issues?  I have.  Isn&#8217;t it interesting how we almost frantically need to find out whether someone shares our &#8220;positions&#8221; (underlying subtext: biases and conclusions) before we feel comfortable with them?  Our minds are hard-wired to take this shortcut because it saves a lot of processing power.  </p>
<p>I chose &#8220;born again&#8221; because for most of my life I did not know anything about critical thinking, cognitive biases, logical fallacies, etc.  After learning how to think properly, I feel liberated, clear, and nothing will ever be the same.  If that&#8217;s not a good use of &#8220;born again&#8221; then I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You make and break your own religion by Paul Richardson</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-3044</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,

Ok, I really like your essays.  But I am a bit confused.  I cannot find an &#039;about&#039; page, or other clarification of your position on issues (like, in the most general and broad way).  

In fact, you seem to avoid taking too many risky positions, despite an obvious ability to deconstruct positions.  

So what exactly do you mean by &quot;born again&quot;????  Is that sarcasm, or are you serious about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,</p>
<p>Ok, I really like your essays.  But I am a bit confused.  I cannot find an &#8216;about&#8217; page, or other clarification of your position on issues (like, in the most general and broad way).  </p>
<p>In fact, you seem to avoid taking too many risky positions, despite an obvious ability to deconstruct positions.  </p>
<p>So what exactly do you mean by &#8220;born again&#8221;????  Is that sarcasm, or are you serious about that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on You make and break your own religion by BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you ask a lot of questions in a short space.  I&#039;ll try to give the beginnings of answers here, but a reasonable treatment would definitely require one or more full posts.

I think the term &#039;science&#039; can reasonably be applied to any field of rational collective human endeavor, where an effort is made to find, test, improve (and discard) theories about how things work.  In some fields this is reasonably straightforward, but in others there are confounding challenges.  Psychology and the study of cognition have come a long way in recent decades.  Because this science deals with phenomenally complex systems, its conclusions aren&#039;t always cut and dried.  The more we work at it, the more it will grow into the role of rigorous, respected science.

If your theory is invalidated by observations, then you have to come up with a better one.  But you are asking, how does science determine what &quot;better&quot; means?  Generally given Occam&#039;s razor, parsimonious and straightforward explanations are preferable to convoluted ones.  But sometimes our intuitions or notions of simplicity or elegance are not sufficient to find the right answer.  For example, the theory of relativity, or quantum physics.  

Then there&#039;s dark matter, the current favorite whipping boy of cosmology.  It works better than any other theory we&#039;ve got to explain things.  But even the strongest proponents admit that they don&#039;t know WHAT it is for sure, and admit they could have it wrong.  It&#039;s really hard to test things that are out of our reach and resist our attempts at observation.  I am constantly humbled by the innovative genius and persistence that astrophysicists have, telling us so much about the universe using such limited means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you ask a lot of questions in a short space.  I&#8217;ll try to give the beginnings of answers here, but a reasonable treatment would definitely require one or more full posts.</p>
<p>I think the term &#8216;science&#8217; can reasonably be applied to any field of rational collective human endeavor, where an effort is made to find, test, improve (and discard) theories about how things work.  In some fields this is reasonably straightforward, but in others there are confounding challenges.  Psychology and the study of cognition have come a long way in recent decades.  Because this science deals with phenomenally complex systems, its conclusions aren&#8217;t always cut and dried.  The more we work at it, the more it will grow into the role of rigorous, respected science.</p>
<p>If your theory is invalidated by observations, then you have to come up with a better one.  But you are asking, how does science determine what &#8220;better&#8221; means?  Generally given Occam&#8217;s razor, parsimonious and straightforward explanations are preferable to convoluted ones.  But sometimes our intuitions or notions of simplicity or elegance are not sufficient to find the right answer.  For example, the theory of relativity, or quantum physics.  </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s dark matter, the current favorite whipping boy of cosmology.  It works better than any other theory we&#8217;ve got to explain things.  But even the strongest proponents admit that they don&#8217;t know WHAT it is for sure, and admit they could have it wrong.  It&#8217;s really hard to test things that are out of our reach and resist our attempts at observation.  I am constantly humbled by the innovative genius and persistence that astrophysicists have, telling us so much about the universe using such limited means.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You make and break your own religion by Mark Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cover a lot.  Is psychology a science?  What do you make of &quot;applied sciences?&quot;  Economics and psychology for example.  When our observations of the cosmos do not match our equation&#039;s predictions, is it legitimate science to use complex math in a &quot;Ptolemic epicycle&quot; type of explanation?  I think so but I don&#039;t think it good physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cover a lot.  Is psychology a science?  What do you make of &#8220;applied sciences?&#8221;  Economics and psychology for example.  When our observations of the cosmos do not match our equation&#8217;s predictions, is it legitimate science to use complex math in a &#8220;Ptolemic epicycle&#8221; type of explanation?  I think so but I don&#8217;t think it good physics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You make and break your own religion by Satchmo Bevins</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/10/01/you-make-and-break-your-own-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Satchmo Bevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent essay. You sum up a lot of my frustrations with people, but much more articulately than I ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent essay. You sum up a lot of my frustrations with people, but much more articulately than I ever could.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prejudice isn&#8217;t a discussion by Hugh</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/09/07/prejudice-isnt-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s crap like this that inspired me to create my own blog... to discuss nonsense polls and &quot;majority&quot; opinion. GTFO indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s crap like this that inspired me to create my own blog&#8230; to discuss nonsense polls and &#8220;majority&#8221; opinion. GTFO indeed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on That&#8217;s the story of my life by anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/08/04/thats-the-story-of-my-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1872</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They all have the effect of of molding, shaping, and simplifying events into a kind of linear narrative, ignoring any contradiction, complexity, and general messiness.&quot;

Oh sweet, since all those things are in the bible, it must not be a product of &quot;linear fallacy&quot;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They all have the effect of of molding, shaping, and simplifying events into a kind of linear narrative, ignoring any contradiction, complexity, and general messiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh sweet, since all those things are in the bible, it must not be a product of &#8220;linear fallacy&#8221;;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Argument &gt; Debate by Born again Skeptic &#187; More debate fail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Born again Skeptic &#187; More debate fail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is on your side.  It&#8217;s counter-intuitive on first consideration, but as I&#8217;ve mused previously, debating has relatively little to do with truth and mostly pivots on charisma and debate tactics [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is on your side.  It&#8217;s counter-intuitive on first consideration, but as I&#8217;ve mused previously, debating has relatively little to do with truth and mostly pivots on charisma and debate tactics [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A god detector by Hugh</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/07/18/a-god-detector/comment-page-1/#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s excellent.  Well done and well stated.  Maybe someday we&#039;ll have an iPhone app that can detect god or miracles if you just hold up the camera. iOnGod or iMiracle or GodCounter.  I love it.  99 cents of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s excellent.  Well done and well stated.  Maybe someday we&#8217;ll have an iPhone app that can detect god or miracles if you just hold up the camera. iOnGod or iMiracle or GodCounter.  I love it.  99 cents of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Turns out God doesn&#8217;t want dead animals by BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2008/06/30/turns-out-god-doesnt-want-dead-animals/comment-page-1/#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just learned there are terms for this concept: propitiation or expiation (depending on the details of what you&#039;re discussing).

Noted for future reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just learned there are terms for this concept: propitiation or expiation (depending on the details of what you&#8217;re discussing).</p>
<p>Noted for future reference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Argument &gt; Debate by Born again Skeptic &#187; How to Argue</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/03/15/argument-greater-than-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Born again Skeptic &#187; How to Argue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a great short podcast on how to argue that talks about a lot of the same points I made earlier.  It goes into additional detail about how to prepare and conduct arguments so that everyone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a great short podcast on how to argue that talks about a lot of the same points I made earlier.  It goes into additional detail about how to prepare and conduct arguments so that everyone [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Willing to be wrong by Born again Skeptic &#187; Argument &#62; Debate</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2008/07/06/willing-to-be-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Born again Skeptic &#187; Argument &#62; Debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a skeptic, I love to argue.  I love to be right and convince someone else of it, and I also love to be proven wrong and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a skeptic, I love to argue.  I love to be right and convince someone else of it, and I also love to be proven wrong and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Closed-minded, all by Hugh</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2009/01/01/closed-minded-all/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well stated!!  It never really occurred to me that we are wired for expediency.  

Keep up the great work.  I&#039;ve got you set up on my RSS reader now.

Your friend,
Hugh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well stated!!  It never really occurred to me that we are wired for expediency.  </p>
<p>Keep up the great work.  I&#8217;ve got you set up on my RSS reader now.</p>
<p>Your friend,<br />
Hugh</p>
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		<title>Comment on A critical baseline by BaS</title>
		<link>http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/2008/10/24/a-critical-baseline/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>BaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you added *this post* to your blogroll.  You also have the wordpress support forum and documentation sites still in there ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you added *this post* to your blogroll.  You also have the wordpress support forum and documentation sites still in there <img src='http://www.bornagainskeptic.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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